okay time to start this discussion of a public forum.

greg is getting yelled at by shawn and bill R at jlc so i figure lets reel this one in a bit. and since it actually got me to post (twice) there i figured i should just move on now. so lets start the 7 step process...

step 1... all of us on here need to rush out and spend 600 on certs.... NOW PEOPLE APRIL 22, 2010 is coming

step 2... you need to buy stock in a few companies POLY being the first. garbage bags being the second. (trust me you will need this after step 4.)

step 3... then you will start biding your jobs "presuming" that there is lead on every job.

Step 4... finally you go out of business b/c you are outbid by all the contractors that didn't get certified and told the government to go F themselves.

sorry you aren't gonna make it to step 7


okay a kind of far out way to look at this but i think this is how we are all sorta reacting at first so lets discuss ways to implement some of these "wonderful practices" with out going broke???

As the law currently stands there is an 'opt out' clause for houses without kids. Thankfully, this encompasses ALL of my clientele over the past few years. However, I will be adding a line item to all quotes/invoices for "lead safe work practices in order to comply with the EPA mandates" or some other similiar b.s. in case they want it done.

If anyone feels like being a real dick and they know an uncertified contractor is doing work on a house send the HO and contractor an anonymous letter that they're going to get ratted out to the EPA along with a cut and paste of the consequences. Over time it might force the illegals to comply.

-Norm

just some fun photos from the lead class.

Wow.

Somebody ought to jump on having those spacesuits made with company logos on them....

You forgot to also buy the stock of blue tape, duct tape, booties, and coverall companies.
Norm, word is going around "opt out clause may get "sh*t canned.
The government finally figured out the age old quest of how to turn lead into gold.
Home owners are going to pay "gold" prices for "LeadSafe" removal.
Peace out

I honestly could careless. I'm not changing a thing. I do more new construction than anything.

There is only 1 person I know that has heard about this and it's the builder i rent my office from. No one else is up charging for this.I don't do interior work so it's not on my map of of stress right now.

Josh, the RRP applies to exterior too. If you are doing a shitty vinyl replacement window you have to poly inside AND outside.

Since there is zero enforcement, I wouldn't lose sleep over it if I were you.

I'm not loosing sleep. I don't care. I've got 50 other things to worry about like working on chimney's out of a crane basket 80' in the air right now. I don't even think I have a job on the books that's from before 1978....

I'm sick of hearing about it. I wish I could put all threads with lead discussion on ignore.

Josh wrote:I wish I could put all threads with lead discussion on ignore.

That makes two of us.

I just posted a retort over on JLC.

It just amazes me how some people are such friggin' sheep. You cannot be an intelligent human and sit through that class without saying "you have got to be kidding me" about 4,000 times.

These guys cheerleading really make me wonder. I've seen that guy Shawn Prentice post on several other forums like he is on a personal crusade to rid the world of lead. And, on every site, he cries like a baby when some says "you have got to be kidding me" about some of the nonsense he posts.

And Robinson, the holiest person on JLC, can't answer a single question and he is INSTRUCTING.

A quick synopsis of LeadSafe practice, vinyl replacement window job
1) Pre 1978 house with kids under 6
2) Test for lead,if present
3) 6 mil poly 6' left and right and out from each window, taped down, interior
4) 6 mil poly 10' left and right and out from each window, exterior + barrier out 20'
5) poly room door with flap
6) suit up, booties too !
7) Remove and bag sashes and stops
Wet wipe or Hepa vac bag exterior
9) Hand off to helper outside of containment area
10) Wet wipe or HEPA vac walls, window frame and sill
10a) install window
11) Remove suit, roll up poly, bag it
12) Hepa vac floor, a) beater brush if rug b) wet mop if hard surface (soap and rinse)
12a) if wet mop, wait 1 hour or until dry
13) Perform visual check with wet wipe (hard surface)
14) Repeat if dirty
15) If still dirty dry wipe and you're done
A) the HO cannot enter the area
B) there is not a check for lead after you're done (1 & 2 Family)
C) need 3rd party clearance for HUD and multifamily before room can be occupied
D) all work documented and retained for 3 years
If my fellow classmates see any errors please correct.

SteveC wrote:A quick synopsis of LeadSafe practice, vinyl replacement window job
1) Pre 1978 house with kids under 6
2) Test for lead,if present

This makes it sound like you can avoid the whole thing if the test in one area is negative. True?

If so, how complicated are those tests?

tests are easy took 15 mins to learn and do. the fact is you need to do 6-8 tests for replacing one door or window.

i will go get my book from my truck and give you guys the company that our instructors buy their testing supplies from later today.

I just read something today about power washing, all of the water has to be captured, filtered and tested. If the test is above the limits it is considered hazardous waste. Soil must be tested before and after the work is done.

http://www.chem-scope.com/chem03/EPA%20 ... 1-6-09.pdf

Just got off phone with EPA in Edison.
One man sole-proprietor or 50 employee corporation, both need "Firm Certification"
Whoopee !
I'm gonna get me a bunch of the test swabs.
If the house tests positive for lead, it might be better to "walk away".
Wait, if I can get $1000 for a single "LeadSafe installed" replacement window, hmmmmm.
And here's the HEPA Vac I'll use
http://www.vector-vacuums.com/vecloader ... p-135.html